Apparently some angry one-droppers have taken notice of A Mixed Blog. Can’t please everyone and we aren’t gonna try. The S-Train Canvass will just have to build a bridge and get over it. The “multiracial” movement has been building for years and ain’t going anywhere.
But, strangely enough, S-Train rebukes those who identify as “Creole” claiming its ‘divisive’ and further mocks those who identify as “multiracial” while simultaneously identifying himself as “African-American.” As if that is not just another ‘divisive’ label that separates one human being from another on the basis of skin color. Such is the way of the deluded “racialist” and the one-dropper…
This entry also posted at Taking The Gloves Off.
Update: S-Train has posted an update to his previous posting. In that update, he falsely claims:
Some of these multiracial activists want us all the share the same “everything”. No differences, just sameness. Why is this a goal? Why can’t we get over the problem of negative racial attitudes without resorting to a collective sameness.
And just where and how were we advocating this? I guess I must have slept through that Illuminati session on the forcible creation of one “racial” demographic. Paranoia and hallucinations may be fun for some. I prefer to live in the real world, thank you. What I promote is individuality and control of one’s own self-identity. What S-Train promotes is segregationism, cloaked in the double-speak of cultural preservation and some bizarre devotion to maintaining “racial” differences.
And why do people that call themselves black get the brunt of the multiracial activist’s fire?
I guess he must have been sleeping in class when The Multiracial Activist went apeshit on Bob Jones University, Trent Lott, Robert Byrd, The Council of Conservative Citizens, and Matt Hale – to name a few. Or perhaps he was simply lying in order to make himself look better. Either way, it didn’t work.
What about nationalities?
What about them? You rambling mindlessly, or is there a point in there somewhere?
I may be black but a black person from the Carribbean has a different culture. Should we just blur that? No! No! NO!!!
I believe I’ve just unearthed another collectivist. First off, cultures are fluid. They change over time. Any attempts to preserve them fly in the face of free will and individual rights. People are going to mix cultures. Combine them, borrow and discard from them at will. You can’t stop this without the use of fear or violence, no matter how hard you try. Further, I’m not sure who this fool is attempting to keep from blurring cultures. And exactly how does one prevent cultural blurring? Do we set up walls around these abstractions and put men with guns around these arbitrary constructs in order to keep the cultures separate? How exactly does this nonsense differentiate from classic segregationism? It doesn’t. Give me a break.
My goodness. A one-dropper? I’ve been called alot of things but “one-dropper”. Sheesh. Anywayz, let’s get to business.
As you saw, my grandmother is white (French). My grandfather was a black Haitian. My grandmother’s words is that she hated the word “Creole”. She hated associating her children with that word. She told me it was divisive and I believe it. Now my dear multiracial friend, I’m multiracial too. BUT I identify with “black folks” because, heck, I grew up around black folks in Detroit. And I grew up as black (or what is called black in America). Am I damaged? No. A racialist? Hmmm… I relish the culture that black people have made in America. From music, words, food, etc, we have contributed much. And I adore it. Is that wrong. Naaa…
And why would I want you to go anywhere? I’m no Klan member. No black supremicists. I’m more concerned at you being anti-black. Many multiracial folks complain that black people were the bane of their existance. Let me hook ya up with something, hoss, my grandparents and parents told me the stories of who gave hell to the black and multiracial folks, it was the classic white bigots and racists. My grandfather would never forget all-shades of color being lynched and mentally abused.
Of course white people don’t command 1/100th of the power to lynch me and mine. And their are record numbers of interracial couples (especially black & white). But on average, the white side of the family as the biggest issue with it. My older sister is married to a white man. He’s a cool fella, much respect to him. But his family is very icy towards my sister. They routinely question him about why is married “the black”. She has’t been invited to to any family functions on his side. Now this is one case. But if black folks were crushing multiracial folks like you all indicate, we would hear and see more of it. There’s no black conspiracy against you, you are having difficulty accepting what the majority looks at you as: Black! You want to be different but they won’t let you. It’s not the minority that his giving you issues, it is the majority. When the majority decide that they will drop the attitudes (and thank the stars for the young folks who seem to be doing this), then you will spread your multiracial “wings” and be fully accepted by the majority. The minority always has.
1/5/2004 11:43
I’ll have to let my “black” wife know that I’m anti-“black” there, hoss. She’ll find that nonsense extremely amusing. BTW, you picked this fight, so quit your whining.
1/5/2004 11:48:13 AM
I read these comments they are disturbing. eople are just plain stupid or ignore the facts. I just came to veiw this site. One thing I recognize is propaganda when I hear it. Let us face this fact all interracial relationships were not born out of love and respect. It is good to know that some of us have that choice to make. To act as if these bias ways developed among people of color with out dealing with thereal history of it. Is an out lie, America is the youngest continent on the planet. It is not the first place where people had sexual relationships with other human beings and produced a rainbow of human beings, The difference in america is the nasty history of how that came to be. How that has condition people who sit on etheir side of the fence to partake in this me, me ,me catagorey about so-called race. No one in this country really cares what happen to the slaves really . Every time this debates are started about race and identy. It always ends on just how we were sold on color. Quite frankly I don’t care if they get rid of all the catogries the truth of the history is the same. To agure the point about who is right or who got treated better or worst is mute. Racism is real and the fact that we want to deal with it in the matter of these elusive charades is a real shame b/c it puts all of us back in the same boat as being defined according to what the majority says about us. I said us b/c we all are exstenions of each other. If you activist think that this will be decided in this country in fairness and honesty. you need to think on the history of all the murders, rapes, laws that have hit every shade and
ethinic background reguardless if the were octaroon,multiracial,biracail, darker than coal, or like butter milk.Let us get the facts straight it was the black woman for the most part who was left with the shortcomings of decision about her children and the conditions of the society they would inheirt according to the label that was placed on her head slave . Now her childern are a slave to lies and colorline all over the world. The question isn’t color. It is power. Though the fight might be
among the coloreds. That is not new. That is how the labels came to be to begin with here in america and eroupean influcened socities. Let us keep it real real. No one on the daily basis is concerned with the genetic make up of who you are .People have there own selfish reason to disreguard life. Color is just one of the reasons they use to mistreat and direguard you. Put that context into the larger socities we live as long as we up hold the lie that white is the light and truth then we all can live in darkness b/c words are powerful english is the youngest language. If the debate is about truth why is it solely in english, why is the question always how dark or how lite the skin.So now we are going to create a modern day j’dure color society of educated negros of every shade,multiracail, biracial, people of abi
giuos identy. Oh forgive me we are the first to want the right to be called human. i guess all that came before us didn’t desire just to be. You think that a changing of words and titles will change that truth. [INSULT DELETED] and subject to whatever lies you lead and need in order to feel the worth of your own lifeb/c as for me I am who my spirit says I am. i have a value for all life. Just remember words are life we speak the destination of our fate. peace _E
1/5/2004 4:17:32 PM
E said: “I just came to veiw this site.”
Actually you signed the guestbook weeks ago so that statement is not true.
E said: “Let us face this fact all interracial relationships were not born out of love and respect.”
I assume this vague statement refers to “interracial” relationships in the early 20th century or farther back. No one here said that they were all out of love in those eras. Actually, we were simply pointing out that not all were about rape or enslavement, some actually were about love. No one here denied that rape during enslavement was a major contributor to the mixed-“race” populations of centuries past. We simply pointed out that both rape and consentual sex occurred. That is BOTH, not one or the other solely. For you to imply we stated otherwise is patently dishonest and shameful. Cut it out.
E said: “To act as if these bias ways developed among people of color with out dealing with the
real history of it. Is an out lie,”
Nobody here said that and you know it. Again, let’s stop with the unnecessary distortions.
E said: ” If you activist think that this will be decided in this country in fairness and honesty. you need to think on the history of all the murders, rapes, laws that have hit every shade and
ethinic background reguardless if the were octaroon,multiracial,biracail, darker than coal, or like butter milk.Let us get the facts straight it was the black woman for the most part who was left with the shortcomings of decision about her children and the conditions of the society they would inheirt according to the label that was placed on her head slave.”
None of that bears even the slightest relation to a coherent or on topic thought with regard to the self-identification rights of free adults.
1/5/2004 4:39:20 PM
Another triple-talker. Saying I’m whining, when I’m not. Oh well. That’s fine. I will answer you without calling you a fool, since I am (and they say we former gang members don’t have class). I digress.
I have sensed and have heard multiracial people talk like “black” is the problem. You may haven’t and I apologize if I accused you of saying something you didn’t. How does culture fly in the face of free will? And please don’t belittle me about this. I am genuinly floored when you say that. I have free will even though I celebrate black American culture and African culture. My wife is black also and was born and raised in Ghana. She has taught me much about African culture. I relish this. I love it. We give this knowledge to our three children. But I wouldn’t dare kill their free will. You make culture sound so bad man. Ok cultures change. But how is that stopping free will. Black culture in America has changed and I don’t see black folks holding people back from changing. Where?
And pardon me for being human. But I see. When I see someone that looks a certain way, that what I think. One of your links go to a blogger that goes by swirlspice. We’re cool. I see a picture of her and she looks like a black woman to me. She says things that I identify as black American culture like “straight-trippin boo” and others. She’s multiracial. What am I supposed to think, huh? She I be sorry that I call her a “black woman” even though she hasn’t told me. Should I just scold myself for saying that? Educate me. What is the multiracial activist mission?
And I’m sorry I ramble man. I’m just a former gang member trying to stay right. I don’t have alot of formal education but I’m rollin’ on. But educate me. I can’t just deny what I see and hear man. And can’t ask every multiracial person what I should call you? Am I offending you? Etc…
1/5/2004 17:37
Truth is I was just veiwing this part of the site and it wasn’t weeks ago that I signed the guess book. The real question is what is the purpose of debating you b/c the truth is as relevant as you want it to be the real irony of the self-identification rights of free adults is that you desire the right to define yourself freely. Then the question is why even start with a label period and have a site called multi racial b/c there isn’t a person in america who isn’t. So what and how are you going to define yourselfs will it be color or how much black blood you have or don’t have. My point is you wind up just as much of a slave than being free b/c it takes no fool to see the evidence of the past in the faces of colored folk in america and I wasn’t speaking of interracial relationships from just the early bennings of this country. I am speaking from experience and the current situaton with self hatred issues that still exsits amoung these so called- free adults. Just so you know you are as free as you let your mind be and when have colored folks ever been free without scrunity to repel all of the negative images and words that shape our relationships and who we love. So how free are you b/c you ani’t the first and will not be the last to desire choice. So whatelse do you have to contribute to the present besides this left-over idea of the past. Tell me, you may be free but no one falls out of the air we all come from places familar and distant. Hatered is taught today as well as it was taught at the beginning of this country. If these catagories presit people will always elcet to identfy themselves with whatever thay have been taught is closet to white and better. The definition of black and white is the same as it has ever been in the dictionaries of america. How can you love anyone else when you don’t love or respect yourself. Since you are all knowing there are people of color today as well as the past who elect to date , marry ,and have sex with white folks mainly to rid them selves of the history of those lables and the power of the words that proceed them. Love is love when peolpe trully step out side of there small windows of the world. You can love and respect anyone. You and no one will make me believe this b/s you are just trying to freely identfy yourselfs. Look in the mirror love who you are and walk out into the world like every other person of color who has to bare being called everything but human in the face of adversity to surrive and be. That exclusively doesn’t belong to anyone of any race. Calling me a lier and trying to belittle me. Just goes to show where you are really coming from. I decern it is far more than self idetifaction that is being sought after. You need to check the past b/c this has all been done and said before. Truth is bliss when folk have their agenda. I am saying it loud ,corhent and clear if your desire is to elevate yourself to white power status then say so. It has been attemped before I am a descendant of people who freely gave up their life for you to make that choice. peace for real-E
1/6/2004 2:20:46 PM
E said: Truth is I was just veiwing this part of the site and it wasn’t weeks ago that I signed the guess book.
You are correct there, it was December 31, which makes it a week ago, not weeks ago. (I thought you were the individual who left me a private message 3 weeks ago.)
E said: The real question is what is the purpose of debating you b/c the truth is as relevant as you want it to be the real irony of the self-identification rights of free adults is that you desire the right to define yourself freely.
Actually I desire self-identification for ALL PEOPLE, not just me. And I’m on record publicly stating so over and over again. Nice try though. Secondly, the front page of the website clearly states that this website advocates for abolition of all forms of government imposed “racial” classification. So save your nonsense for the conspiracy boards elsewhere.
E said: Then the question is why even start with a label period and have a site called multi racial b/c there isn’t a person in america who isn’t.
I don’t define myself by “race”, but you seem to have a real problem with folks of “black” and “white” heritage rejecting a “black” label for a “multiracial” one. Why don’t you expend the same amount of energy lecturing “blacks” and “whites” to drop their “racial” designations? Or are really only against those who are of so-called “multiracial” individuals who don’t resign themselves to embracing the one-drop rule?
E said: So what and how are you going to define yourselfs will it be color or how much black blood you have or don’t have.
As I said before, and the front page of the website says in plain language, we advocate for abolishment of all “racial” classification schemes. I believe that those of so-called “multiracial” heritage are clearly able to comprehend the lunacy of such classification schemes. I thought that was easy to comprehend.
E said: My point is you wind up just as much of a slave than being free b/c it takes no fool to see the evidence of the past in the faces of colored folk in america and I wasn’t speaking of interracial relationships from just the early bennings of this country. I am speaking from experience and the current situaton with self hatred issues that still exsits amoung these so called- free adults.
Self-hatred? As in “multiracial” adults who don’t embrace the one-drop rule? Is that your true intention here? To promote one-drop?
E said: Just so you know you are as free as you let your mind be and when have colored folks ever been free without scrunity to repel all of the negative images and words that shape our relationships and who we love.
How exactly does any of this relate to the right of an individual to control his own mind and self-identity? It doesn’t. Its emotionalism that is intended to distract from the issue at hand – personal liberty and government imposed “racial” classifications.
E said: So how free are you b/c you ani’t the first and will not be the last to desire choice. So whatelse do you have to contribute to the present besides this left-over idea of the past.
Who other than you is promoting a left-over idea of the past? As I said, I desire abolition of all categories. Anyone who knows this website and my own history of advocacy wouldn’t say what you’ve said. Clearly you are reacting to the words of others without getting the facts straight on your own. That’s shoddy.
E said: Tell me, you may be free but no one falls out of the air we all come from places familar and distant.
And?
E said: Hatered is taught today as well as it was taught at the beginning of this country. If these catagories presit people will always elcet to identfy themselves with whatever thay have been taught is closet to white and better.
Not always. You sure like to use generalizations, instead of treating folks as individuals. That’s just sad. As those who actually do read this site on a regular basis know, I’ve been advocating for abolition of all classifications for years. You obviously have no clue about who I am or my work. You are preaching to the wrong choir. I don’t want more categories, I want NO categories. Is this so hard to comprehend? Do you lecture the NAACP on these classifications as well?
E said: The definition of black and white is the same as it has ever been in the dictionaries of america. How can you love anyone else when you don’t love or respect yourself.
Who said I don’t love myself? And by the way, feel free to institute a paragraph break every once in a while. (It makes it easier to read your thoughts.)
E said: Since you are all knowing there are people of color today as well as the past who elect to date , marry ,and have sex with white folks mainly to rid them selves of the history of those lables and the power of the words that proceed them.
And? Are you now attempting to claim that “interracial” marriage is a fraud and that those of us in so-called “interracial” marriages are running from “blackness”? Is that the brand of nonsense you are peddling?
E said: Love is love when peolpe trully step out side of there small windows of the world. You can love and respect anyone.
So can you. But you seem to peddling hatred of “interracial” marriage and the one-drop rule. That’s a pretty horrendous brand of hatred, in my opinion.
E said: You and no one will make me believe this b/s you are just trying to freely identfy yourselfs.
I didn’t get the memo that informed your approval was required or even desirable. You can believe what you want. You don’t own anyone, contrary to what you may want to think.
E said: Look in the mirror love who you are and walk out into the world like every other person of color who has to bare being called everything but human in the face of adversity to surrive and be. That exclusively doesn’t belong to anyone of any race. Calling me a lier and trying to belittle me. Just goes to show where you are really coming from.
You seem to be against “racial” classifications same as me, then you seem to be in favor of the one-drop rule, then against classifications. You contradict yourself. Which is it? If you favor the oppressive one-drop rule, then you favor “racial” classifications. You can’t have it both ways.
E said: I decern it is far more than self idetifaction that is being sought after.
Actually, as I said before, this site clearly and plainly, advocates against classifications. If you check the history of this website, you’ll see if was embraces the principle that “race” is bunk and that classifications must go. But that doesn’t mean we can’t ALSO attack the one-drop rule, which only further exists to cement these bullshit classification schemes. You seem to favor one-drop. You can’t be for one-drop and against classifications. Decide.
E said: You need to check the past b/c this has all been done and said before.
Really? We’ve had a period of time in this nation when there were no “racial” classifications? Not in this particular universe. Maybe in an America in a parallel universe, but not this one.
E said: Truth is bliss when folk have their agenda.
Like you, simultaneously promoting the one-drop rule, while appearing to be against “racial” classifications. You can’t have it both ways.
E said: I am saying it loud ,corhent and clear if your desire is to elevate yourself to white power status then say so.
No one here is advocating “white” power anything, so stop with the bullshit assertions. References to “passing” are sometimes discussed here to show the flip-side of the one-drop rule by pointing out that it is a contradictory and nonsensical standard by which to force one human from one arbitrarily created classification into another arbitrarily created classification. If one-drop makes “black”, by consequence shouldn’t one-drop of “white” make you “white”? Do one-drop of each cancel each other out? Doesn’t this illogical nonsense invalidate the whole argument in favor of “racial” classifications altogether? I’m in favor of getting rid of all classifications. I’ve taken a lot of heat over the years for that stand. If you knew anything at all about me or my compatriots, you wouldn’t ask such a question. I get the feeling that you’ve ingested to much misinformation from third parties with agendas related to the preservation of these slavery era “racial” classification schemes.
E said: It has been attemped before I am a descendant of people who freely gave up their life for you to make that choice.
Huh? What has been attempted before? I am fully versed in the history of “racial” classification in this country. Your vague posting seems to indicate you possess some secret historical data. What is it? Further you claim that your ancestors died for some reason that you don’t explain? What was it? Did your ancestors die to get rid of “racial” classifications, as this has site clearly advocated doing for years?
1/6/2004 2:59:51 PM
Your right no one needs my permission just like no one needs yours. If a end to all classifaction is what you advocate then start with yourself b/c everyone has the right to chose to words to express what they feel period. Since you feel like you have the right to feel as you do and express your “opinion” then that is what I was responding to a human with an opinion.You take yourself to be way more than you are. I have not stated that I am against interacial relationships b/c I would be against myself. What I said is that not all relationships are based on love. You live in america not a closet, You know that people marry, date and have relationships for other reason besides love . Race and color is not exclude from that picture. Maybe you need to face that.I can’t judge you b/c we all are works in progress. I be the first to admit that i am wrong if I made the assumption that you were for any classifactions. I do take offense to you also telling me to take issues with any organization in which you have an issue with. That is your issue not mine. What is it with the one drop. (lol) That is a real trip b/c I certainly don’t believe in that besides most americans are so visual period they will call me black simply b/c of my skin that is stupid period. As you stated who in america is free of that but I am me period . Screw what people call me. I know I am blessed. I thank you for the lesson in the proper way to respond to greatness. I thought speaking freely and open was honored more than structure and style. Sounds like you got some catagories you need to eliminate. It is kool I love peolpe period . I receive this as it is given. Still the best to you, Peace to you still for real!E
1/6/2004 3:46:31 PM
E said: If a end to all classifaction is what you advocate then start with yourself
I already have. I’m on record in the media, books and on television as being against the categories. I don’t need to “start”. I did so long ago, starting in 1997. You’ve clearly not researched this website very well, if you feel the need to tell me where to start. There are over 700 pages to choose from. But try here: https://www.multiracial.com/issues/issues-abolition.html The original focus of this website was on the promotion of a “multiracial” classification as a transitory step to abolishing all the “racial” classifications. I worked with several national groups towards that end. It was stymied by traditional civil rights groups who openly advocated for continuation of the one-drop rule with regard to classification of human beings by the government. After that, I took my gloves off and began advocating for a full repeal of ALL forms of “racial” classification. As I said earlier, the front page of the website clearly states the intent.
E said: b/c everyone has the right to chose to words to express what they feel period.
Uh-huh. And just how does that relate to the abolition of “racial” classifications? It doesn’t. More strange dialogue.
E said: Since you feel like you have the right to feel as you do and express your “opinion” then that is what I was responding to a human with an opinion.
Okay.
E said: You take yourself to be way more than you are.
What do I take myself to be? I think I am a father, a brother, a husband. A man. A human. Do I need to be more?
E said: I have not stated that I am against interacial relationships b/c I would be against myself. What I said is that not all relationships are based on love.
No one here has argued that SOME relationships weren’t about love. You, however, falsely implied that we did.
E said: You live in america not a closet,
Thanks for that clarification.
E said: You know that people marry, date and have relationships for other reason besides love .
And what does this have to do with us, unless your purpose is to imply that “interracial” relationships cannot be about love – that they are only flawed creations for self-hating fools. You seem to be implying this through your strange dialogue. Any relationship can be superficial or flawed, not just “interracial” relationships.
E said: Race and color is not exclude from that picture. Maybe you need to face that.
We never said that all relationships were/are about love. You SAID that we said that.
E said: I can’t judge you b/c we all are works in progress. I be the first to admit that i am wrong if I made the assumption that you were for any classifactions. I do take offense to you also telling me to take issues with any organization in which you have an issue with. That is your issue not mine.
Actually it demonstrates your real agenda – opposition to “multiracial” self-identification. If you are truly against “racial” classifications, then you are against them in all their forms, not just as they are discussed on this little weblog. When you are ready to challenge the Aryan Nations, NAACP, NCLR, KKK, CofCC and other organizations for their embrace of “racial” classifications then I will believe that your motives are true. I’ve witnessed too many folks come to me and my comrades in the past, claiming to be against all classifications, but in the end were only really against “multiracial” self-identification.
E said: What is it with the one drop. (lol) That is a real trip b/c I certainly don’t believe in that besides most americans are so visual period they will call me black simply b/c of my skin that is stupid period.
Yet you are only advocating against “multiracial” self-identification here, and not against all forms of “racial” classifications anywhere else. Why is one of the categories wrong, but the rest okay? I’ll believe you are truly against these classifications when you spend some time lecturing against all forms of “racial” self-identification, rather than just those against those who self-identify as “multiracial.”
E said: As you stated who in america is free of that but I am me period . Screw what people call me. I know I am blessed. I thank you for the lesson in the proper way to respond to greatness.
The proper way to respond to greatness? Umm-okay.
E said: I thought speaking freely and open was honored more than structure and style.
Both are important if you wish to be taken seriously and to receive a wide consideration of your views. If the text is hard to read due to poor sentence and paragraph structure, and rampant grammar and spelling errors, many will (sadly) misjudge the author and reject the point of view. It is the same with folks who type everything IN ALL CAPS, ALL THE TIME, WITHOUT PAUSE. Taking the time to write with a minimum of structure and attention to detail tells the reader that you value their time and that they should take your views seriously.
E said: Sounds like you got some catagories you need to eliminate. It is kool I love peolpe period . I receive this as it is given. Still the best to you, Peace to you still for real!E
There is much more work to do in order to make these classifications go away. Significant progress has already taken place through the simple act of getting the idea in the minds of the average Joe and Jane. I am a member of the steering committee for the Racial Privacy Initiative and a participant in a semi-formal group of individuals dedicated to this end. Its going to be a hard and long fight, but we will prevail.
And peace to you as well.
1/6/2004 4:14:20 PM
I have read comments on this site that are mispelt over dramatize and amplified for the purpose of the creator. To suggest that I need to address any organization in the manner in which you feel is suitable is stupid and childish.
I am not against anyone defining themsleves even if they are on the far end of spectrum.
Your comments are full of emmotion but lack reality b/c outside of this site life continues.
The question i was getting at is Can I be darker than dirt and still define myself as mutli-racial. I am against skin privilge period more than catagory.
I voice my opinion when ever needed. Not just on this site .
So now who is making assumptions.
The comment about you taking me seriuosly: Both are important if you wish to be taken seriously and to receive a wide consideration of your views. If the text is hard to read due to poor sentence and paragraph structure, and rampant grammar and spelling errors, many will (sadly) misjudge the author and reject the point of view. It is the same with folks who type everything IN ALL CAPS, ALL THE TIME, WITHOUT PAUSE. Taking the time to write with a minimum of structure and attention to detail tells the reader that you value their time and that they should take your views seriously.
Please since your trying to liberate and debate the usage of the english language varies in all parts of the world.
Start with words b/c not all of us grew up in the american way to dialog or education system. I could have wrote it in patwa’.
You assume that your instructing me on the importance of dialog. I am speaking from life and I didn’t ask for your permision on how to live or speak it.
Being taken seriously isn’t that why this little site was invented.
I have never seen the major media even address this issue it . Has just been it what your country calls the black media.
For the record I am multi- racial and a woman.
No one gives a damn period.
Not even you .You care about the polotics of it.
I am talking about life that
supercededs organization.
The day they do away with catagories is the day I will celebrate and King earl st.james will rise from the grave(lol) .
Until then this is all just empty conversation with two people with passion.
No matter how it is said or delivered. White is still the supreme in this country. I learned that the day i arrived here some ten years ago and the colored peolpe already knew that before I got here. So i did as the brothers do. i married a white dude he finances my ventures.
So thank you for you advice !Peace Evette
1/6/2004 5:52:34 PM
E said: I have read comments on this site that are mispelt over dramatize and amplified for the purpose of the creator.
Who did the amplification? When did it occur? Do you have any witnesses? Sounds like a silly conspiracy theory to me.
E said: To suggest that I need to address any organization in the manner in which you feel is suitable is stupid and childish.
That’s not what I said, and you know it. But I do pay the rent here, so…
E said: I am not against anyone defining themsleves even if they are on the far end of spectrum.
What is the far end of the spectrum to you?
E said: Your comments are full of emmotion but lack reality b/c outside of this site life continues.
The most common emotion I use is sarcasm, but only a few of the recent postings are mine. Its interesting that you claim that life goes on outside of here. This is part of life as well. Everything we do contributes to who we are and what we know. This website and my activities outside of here are part of the real world. We aren’t both hallucinating here. This is really happening. It is really becoming part of our life experience. By the way, I’ve been involved in this issue nationally for seven years. I know about ‘life’ and how it relates to my work. Are you even slightly aware of the history of the “multiracial” movement in this nation? I am, because I participated in it on a national level – in the real world. There is a history here you seem completely oblivious to, since you seem to think this webjournal and the “multiracial” movement just came to being the day you started posting here.
E said: The question i was getting at is Can I be darker than dirt and still define myself as mutli-racial.
In my opinion, it is totally your choice. It is your free will to call yourself whatever you want. I’ve stated so before on this site that you can call yourself “multiracial” regardless of complexion or visible melanin. Making your own choice is the key to self-identity. If anyone has told you otherwise, they lied.
E said: I am against skin privilge period more than catagory.
Skin privilege is just one more symptom of the belief in “race” and “racial” classifications that have plagued this nation for hundreds of years. Until we get rid of “racial” classifications and the “racial” group-think it promotes, we will not make significant progress with regard to skin privilege colorism. Let’s stop treating the symptoms and go after the disease for once.
E said: I voice my opinion when ever needed. Not just on this site .So now who is making assumptions.
I make no assumptions. You clearly said that you WON’T challenge other groups to drop their categories in previous postings. No assumption, just your own declaration.
E said: Please since your trying to liberate and debate the usage of the english language varies in all parts of the world.
I correspond with people all over the world on a fairly regular basis. None of my foreign correspondents write to me in such a jarbled manner as that last statement of yours. It isn’t a free-for-all, its a language and certain rules apply. Its one thing to be functionally illiterate and trying to make an effort to post coherently. I don’t hate on anyone for illiteracy. It is something completely different to make excuses and claim it makes no difference how you write.
E said: Start with words b/c not all of us grew up in the american way to dialog or education system. I could have wrote it in patwa’.
If your reader was literate in Patwa you would have accomplished your goal – communication. This website is published in English, not Patwa. But if you want to leave your postings in Patwa, feel free. ;)
E said: You assume that your instructing me on the importance of dialog. I am speaking from life and I didn’t ask for your permision on how to live or speak it.
I assume nothing and that is not at all what I said. This isn’t some little corner coffeehouse free-for-all. This weblog is part of an internationally read web-journal. Parts of this website have been referenced and included in college courses, books, magazines, and media stories/broadcasts in the U.S., Canada, Korea, Germany, etc. If I were posting on a Thai message-board, I’d be expected to demonstrate appropriate literacy skills if I had any hope of communicating effectively and being taken seriously. Why should it be different here?
E said: Being taken seriously isn’t that why this little site was invented. I have never seen the major media even address this issue it . Has just been it what your country calls the black media.
Actually, there have been hundreds of media stories all over the country covering issues related to “multiracial” identity and “interracial” marriage. These stories have been covered on network news, daily newspapers, magazines, radio, etc. for years. See the archives here: https://www.multiracial.com/news.html You seem to have recently ‘discovered’ this issue. Folks have been talking about it for a long, long time.
E said: For the record I am multi- racial and a woman.
For the record, I a man and can be considered to be of “multiracial” descent, although I don’t use the classifications in society. I boycott such designations. I have done so for years. Whether others like it or not.
E said: No one gives a damn period.
The only thing I care about is you as an individual. Evette the mind and spirit fascinates me. I could care less about the outside packaging.
E said: Not even you .You care about the polotics of it.
In this country, “race” equals politics. The two are hopelessly intertwined as these classifications were formed and protected by government for the purpose of keeping men and women in bondage for profit. My quibble is with you and your claim that we don’t know the history of this issue, and that we are just making things up, etc. The writers on the website span the career field from college professors, sociologists, professional writers, historians to anthropologists. We know the history, and we also know the present. It is important to know your history, but not wise to live in it.
E said: I am talking about life that supercededs organization.
It is all inter-related, whether we wish it otherwise or not.
E said: The day they do away with catagories is the day I will celebrate and King earl st.james will rise from the grave(lol) .
Better have a camera ready for that one. Those pictures will be worth a lot of cash.
I know I’ll take a drink and make a silent toast to the dead who fought to their last breath to bring us to that day.
E said: Until then this is all just empty conversation with two people with passion.
Well, this conversation may be, but my work outside of this conversation with regard to the topic at hand isn’t. The Racial Privacy Initiative (http://www.racialprivacy.org), which would have scrapped the categories in California received millions of votes last year and would have passed had our funding been in place quicker. As it is, it took the opposition nearly $4 million to defeat it. We will be placing it on the ballot again. And it will get more votes the next time. We’ll keep doing it until we succeed. Then we’ll move to other states and finally the federal government. This will likely take decades. We are in the beginning stages of a national movement to kill the categories. This movement has been mutating and converging for generations. The day will come when we succeed. In the history of this nation, we’ve never been closer to success than we are today. Further, we have colleagues and friends in South Africa, the UK and other parts of the world discussing the same topics. Even the National Urban League, which opposes scrapping the classifications, has stated publicly that we will succeed. It isn’t just a dream, it is a work in progress.
E said: No matter how it is said or delivered. White is still the supreme in this country. I learned that the day i arrived here some ten years ago and the colored people already knew that before I got here. So i did as the brothers do. i married a white dude he finances my ventures.
I thought you were against placing people in boxes, yet still you speak in collectivist terminology that removes individuality and humanity from the equation. Why?
1/6/2004 7:11:46 PM